For our second piece about Kubernetes and the developer experience, we talked with the chairs of the Cloud Native Computing Foundation’s Application Delivery Special Interest Group (SIG), Alois Reitbauer, chief technology strategist at Dynatrace, Lei Zhang, staff engineer at Alibaba and Bryan Liles, senior staff engineer at VMware. We discussed what’s at stake, what’s being done by the CNCF and others in the community to improve the developer experience and what other projects are on the horizon. Here’s a summary of our conversation.